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| Dankness Lava | Apr 1 2018, 02:27 AM Post #1 |
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The crew gets to use all their powers without tiring out. That means all forms of Haki, any devil fruit ability, etc. The trio can not do anything that would cause an instant win like blowing up the planet. No Great Ape. I don't think I need to explain why. If they win, they then go against Cui, Dodoria, and Zarbon. Zarbon can transform if necessary. Cui can use dirty tactics. Dodoria is bloodlusted. Edited by Dankness Lava, Apr 1 2018, 02:28 AM.
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| Notaka | Apr 1 2018, 12:29 PM Post #16 |
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Not irrelevant. Super clearly established that their punches is as strong as their ki blasts. That, or Goku is a multi-universal buster. Take your poison.
How is that even an argument ? It wouldn't take even half the time it would if they were lightspeed. Luffy took his time and talked after he dodged them, after which they hit the tree behind them who is at best miles away. Does that mean Luffy's talking is FTL??
No it doesn't. Answer my damn question. What do you mean Luffy isn't powered up? If you mean not at trying his best, I agree. But he isn't some dragon Ball character who can choose to use, like 5% of his full power. It doesn't work like that. FYI, I'm in the latest One Piece chapter. So answer my question instead of side stepping it.
I'm the one presenting proof there lol. All you've done is present Luffy destroying a major portion of dressrosa which basically any DBZ character, from the weakest to the strongest, can casually do. You have no proof for split durability either. Because you can't have proof for something that doesn't exist.
Alright so I guess attacks are as strong as their name. OK: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Galaxy_Breaker Do you know what this is? This is the attack Vegeta used to kill Nappa. It's name is Galaxy breaker, so I guess this means Galaxy busting has been present ever since Saiyan Saga.
Except that they need observation haki to avoid gun shots, and even then they're tagged by them. Why didn't Whitebeard dodge all those gunshots in Marineford if he was as fast as light? He's stronger than Kizaru and Rayleigh, so he should be faster. It's an absurd claim. Give me actual proof that Kizaru is light speed in combat speed.
Again you are twisting my words. I never said that they were light speed. I said that, because they dodge beams reaching the moon within seconds, which doesn't even make the beam light speed, they're way faster than everything in OP except Kizaru when traveling. Once again, I ask for proof, proof that One Piece speed feats rival what I said. I already debunked the feat you posted.
Why clearly not as powerful? With their body they can kick away a planet-destroying beam, They can hurt people who have survived explosions capable of destroying planets. They send themselves flying into Rocks/Mountains/Buildings at high velocity and shrug as if nothing happened(It's the blow that hurts, not the damage they receive from colliding into the objects), they can walk and freely fight in high gravity environments. In fact, it seems like DBZ has actual better strength showings to me. Just because it took until Super to show them destroying planets with their fists doesn't mean they couldn't do the same in Z. It's like saying Cell can't destroy the earth by virtue of never having seen him doing it.
It's a surprise attack, you know damn well DBZ characters are weak to sneak attacks. Or simply, It could have been Plot.
OK hold on, how do we know he didn't use KI? And since we're on the subject of Vegeta, what do you make out of him, surviving a 50 feet tall ape, weighing most likely in the hundred tons range, from a great height all the while being severely injured from his fight? This how big an Oozaru is:  The impact made quite an earthquake, yet Vegeta was able to survive it and escape despite his terrible conditions. Still on that terrible physical defense?
Because He had scanned the Z-fighters and found that they were stronger than Raditz and at least worth fighting. I can't say the same for the straw hat crew. Only the monster trio could theoretically fit the bill. And I doubt a Saiyan cares about how you look. Unless you're strong I doubt they'd give you a second thought. He would probably only see Luffy, Zoro and Sanji as worthy challenges, the rest be damned.
OK I may agree that KI is stronger than Punches, but that doesn't mean their physical stats is poor. Give me proof of saying that punches are a lot, a lot weaker than KI. Super just debunked that theory, what is there more to do?
Fair enough, Ursus shock did deal some destruction. But to compare it with Nappa's blast, that destroyed almost the whole city leaving only a crater.. I don't see how. Enel's lightning is trash tbf. Everyone survived it, Gan Fall, Zoro, Robin.. just to name a few, If Usopp survived it would Raditz even feel it? It doesn't even kill, just KO's.
They have to be as strong as super to threaten the Universe with their punches, because in Z nobody came to that level. But it doesn't mean that they can't infuse their punches with KI... Really, it's stated in guide books and in the show that KI compliments physical abilities: Chozenshuu 1: "What are the requirements for becoming strong?" "There are physical limits to the strength of the body itself, so in order to overcome that barrier, it’s necessary to increase your “ki”. Normally, the more you increase your ki, the harder it is to control, so ki control is also important. " Super Exciting guide: What is the key to winning in battle? In battle, the most important thing is the size of your ki, and your check over it. Ki as a concept of course includes spiritual powers such as energy [Genki] courage [Yūki], and right-mindedness [Shoki] 11. No matter how much you train, there are limits to physical strength, and the only way to overcome that is through ki. As you can see, KI makes you physically stronger. So if I can destroy a mountain using my KI, then I could destroy it any way I please, Either with a blast or a punch.
At this point, I don't really have any other answer other than PIS. For the good guys I can make a point, but not for the villains. I mean, if the Bad guy destroyed the earth, there wouldn't be room for a cool fight and the villain would win. Actually... They did destroy planets with a punch/kick in Super.
I guess KI attacks are more versatile and would cover a larger AoE. Punching a planet and destroying it could be possible, but I think a KI blast is the way to go.
To make the scene more dramatic? I dunno. I really got nothing for these. Also flick a planet? I wouldn't say that. It would take a significant effort to destroy it with a punch.
The bold part is what DB suffers. It's not sometimes, but most of the times. Still, OP's characters are hurt by bullets while DB characters were able to tank them from early Dragon ball.
Then where would you put Luffy at? Haki isn't a force in the same vein as KI is.
CoC isn't about how powerful you are, but how strong your ambition is. Though I think strength does play a role in it.
Fair point but I have a feeling that it's what he does to see who's worth fighting. Obviously, half the crew doesn't fit the bill so he's just going to wipe them off.
.. You do know you're doing the same thing, right ? Last time I remember we argued this, you were adamant on "Yajirobe cut Vegeta's tail" which you just used now. And if I didn't know about One Piece, I wouldn't be here in the first place, sorry bud. It's an endless cycle and I'm just adding fuel to the fire. I can see that neither of us is going to budge a bit so I'll just take part and leave. Edited by Notaka, Apr 1 2018, 12:30 PM.
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| + PocketGoggu | Apr 1 2018, 01:04 PM Post #17 |
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Completely different force, as in hits harder, and velocity which enables it to hit harder, it's raw Ki fired at the opponent releasing a greater amount of power than normal, and this raw Ki comes from the body itself. Beyond that there is essentially no difference between how a Ki Blast and a Ki Punch work, they are both empowered by Ki, Ki is it's energy source, and the source of strength that every fighter in the series has.
Did I ever say strength wasn't a factor? It totally is, and that strength is Ki, the thing the fighters train to increase, to power up. Of course they use their muscles to, they're still throwing around their Ki empowered bodies.
A better analogy would be this; The user is a man piloting a mech, and that mech is made out of Ki, the turrets on the mech are far more powerful than the actual person. And if they're millions of times more powerful than why does anyone throw a single punch at all? Why not develop point blank blasts, long range ones, etc. They don't do that because the Ki attacks are at best double their output, and spamming the blasts would waste their Ki pool.
It isn't. Goku and Piccolo powered up to their full against Raditz, a fact which surprised him, because for him and many soldiers raising and lowering power levels is impossible. And promptly pissed his pants at the Kamehameha and the Special Beam Cannon for their capability of raising their users Ki beyond their current capability, Kamehameha doubled Goku's power, Special Beam Cannon probably triple to quadruple. Anyway, this debate is pretty much split durability instead of Raditz V Strawhats. So, I won't be continuing it. |
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| + Steve | Apr 1 2018, 03:56 PM Post #18 |
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What's wrong with that though? It was established in Super they could destroy universes wasn't it? And no, it established their punches are strong, not as strong. There is literally no argument there, if they were as strong why would any single character use a Ki blast...? Throwing a punch doesn't even seem to use up Ki. You're basically arguing that everyone in the series is a complete idiot and wastes all their energy when they can throw thousands and thousands of punches that are just as strong and drain basically no power.
And Cell says "Oh NO" as Final Flash comes at him, does that mean Cell talks at FTL speeds? If an argument works for Dragon Ball it works for everything else, that's my point there. Also that bit with the tree is filler, in the manga he just dodges and says it's too slow.
I...w..what? I am so confused as to how you don't get that. Gear Second is a powerup, as are Gear Third and Fourth. Luffy isn't constantly at his max strength... He was at his base strength when he dodged that laser and Gear Second at least doubles his speed and increases his strength even more so, seems like more than that all in all. And then Fourth is a pretty crazy boost.
With a Ki blast, not raw punching force. Punching force which was mitigated by Doflamingo's Spider Net, might I add. A net that can cut a meteor easily.
Not at all a strong point towards what I was saying dude, Kizaru is literally made of light, it's pretty easy to find reasons why everyone in OP is light level based on that, just it's also easy to recognize that's nonsense just as it is with DBZ but people refuse to accept it. Need I cite every example of people clearly not being light speed...again? I can't be bothered so explain how Krillin, many thousands of times stronger than his Saiyan Saga self, has to meet Bulma half way to get the remote in a fairly dire moment. Reminder that light goes around the planet 7 times in a single second. If Raditz is light level Krillin should have been able to get the remote almost instantly but it took aaaages.
You can't ask for proof when you have no quantifiable speeds for the characters you're defending. Raditz dodges a fast beam, doesn't mean he's as fast as the beam. If that's how it worked everyone later on would have to be so fast it was ridiculous, even Videl would have to almost be reaching those speeds. Videl.
Which again just presents the argument "Why do they not only use punches and kicks?" makes absolutely no sense why they don't if they're equal. Ki just seems easy to deflect if you hit it from the side, this is shown many many times. Piccolo deflects several of Frieza's blasts IIRC, Vegeta knocks away Kid Buu's and there are tons of other examples. Pretty sure Piccolo does it with s***ty little blasts too, maybe only the one time. Piccolo also deflects SBC, one of if not the most penetrative attacks in the entire series. If we're going to say physical hits are in the same realm then we're also going to have to come to the conclusion that...Ki is kinda s***.
Stop. Come on, there's no way you think that makes any sense. Characters who are millions of time stronger do things with millions of times more power. We can easily surmise from that, that it takes that much power to do this.
No it isn't. It's nothing like that at all, we know fine Cell can do it because Frieza could blow up Namek which is a much bigger planet and he's much weaker. There's actual evidence to back that up. There's none to say Ki blasts are as strong as punches.
Yeah and then you have to give up the gunshot thing for OP, because they're almost always surprise shots or plot bullets.
Because Yajirobe has literally never been shown to use it? He's strong but clearly has no talent for it. I'm pretty sure Toriyma would have wrote that in if his intention was for Yajirobe to be using some special sword technique.
He's strong? I have no problem with that. It's an impossible calculation to make though since Gohan was rapidly getting smaller. You can't really make any arguments from that since you have guys taking massive hits from Luffy and then being hurt by gunshots in OP. Durability is weird which is why it's important to consider it's rules. Guns do quite frankly magical amounts of damage in OP compared to the hits people take and walk away from. Like there's no way in hell Luffy's final attack against Doflamingo was weaker than a single gunshot and Doffy was...well not fine but he lived, even though his internal organs were already ripped up before the punch.
Getting somewhere then woo. They're poor by comparison, not poor entirely. They're still strong characters but physically nowhere near as strong as people make them out to be. There's no way you could argue anyone in DBZ is as strong physically as Toriko for instance, Super maybe but not DBZ. They never do anything to justify rating their strength so high. The best Goku done up until Saiyan saga was lift a tree trunk(if it wasn't filler) and push that boulder as a kid. Yadda yadda striking =/= lifting but they're obviously related, if someone can lift a mountain they don't punch like a butterfly.
But you can't even equate that to anything. All it did was destroy buildings and weak people. A large AoE doesn't mean much.
But it is literally lightning and they still survive it, these are fantasy characters it doesn't really matter how ridiculous that is they still live.
Or their punches are just nowhere near as strong as blasts? Is that so hard to accept? Ki obviously increases physical brawn but we have no idea how much, it's clearly not as linear as the increase to Ki blasts. There are limits and to go beyond them you need to use Ki blasts.
That's not what you've been saying until now. If they were equal your method of destruction would be irrelevant, even if a punch only wiped out half a planet that's still a much faster way of killing everything, as half a planet is still destroyed.
There is absolutely no way to compare them but if Haki would come out as Ki on a scouter it should be pretty powerful. It's related to ambition but it still increases your power, when Doffy and Luffy faced off their CoC cracked the mountain they were on. That's a pretty huge discharge of power no matter how hard you slice it.  Luffy blocks his foot with Haki and then that happens. That's not even an attack that's just the energy from their Haki powering up. To arbitrarily give it a number and to definitely low ball it, there's no way that's less than 1000.
But that's what the scouter is for...? If Chopper registers as a 5 he's not going to fight him is he. It's more likely that they knew everyone in the city was a weakling so they announced themselves to the powerful few that would challenge them, which is exactly what happened really. They already knew relatively powerful warriors were around.
Yeah, the difference is I've still never seen it debunked. You can only invent Ki blade techniques to justify that and Yajirobe has never been shown to do anything amazing with his sword aside from that, it's just a sword and he's a relatively strong dude. Whenever something is presented to debunk long held DB theories the response is more often than not, essentially "No but no" rather than something that actually disproves anything. |
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 1 2018, 04:38 PM Post #19 |
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So if physical attacks are much weaker than ki attacks, why are physical attacks capable of countering ki attacks? It's because they're not purely physical, I would think that's pretty clear. As for your question about ki's usefulness, ki provides range, I would think that's an obvious perk. Besides, physical attacks aren't necessarily packing as much ki, they're just more concentrated so it allows for more oomph. It's the same reason Frieza's death beams were so scary, they're practically lasers packing as much ki as an actual beam. That allows for more of an impact for what little area it covers. Also, don't forget Nappa took Tien's arm clean off with a single punch, and that's very relevant to this discussion. Edited by Dankness Lava, Apr 1 2018, 04:43 PM.
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 4 2018, 04:03 PM Post #20 |
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| Notaka | Apr 4 2018, 04:29 PM Post #21 |
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What is there to debate ? This whole split durability theory is and isn't. It's based on the inconsistency of Dragon ball as a series. You can argue they can destroy mountains with a punch just like they couldn't because they never showed it. Arguing against Split Durability is almost the same as arguing how combat works in DBZ, in my books. Assuming the monster trio could physically dominate every DB character barring Super(and GT, there's still that feat of Goku punching super 17 across half the world), There's still the speed gap. Say what you will but I believe that the only one you could say is faster than the Saiyan trio is Kizaru, and that's only when he's traveling. Edited by Notaka, Apr 4 2018, 04:30 PM.
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| + Steve | Apr 6 2018, 01:25 PM Post #22 |
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Agreed, never stated otherwise. But they're clearly not as powerful or they'd do the same damage. If punches were as strong why couldn't Vegeta just punch Cell really hard and blow half his body off? Why couldn't Goku IT Punch basically anyone and destroy them? Because there's a limit to how much Ki can increase your physical attack power, because it's not as strong.
This would effectively make physical attacks FAR more viable than Ki blasts then since you could basically just laser through anyone with your fist with a much more concentrated attack, Ki blasts are a stupid waste of energy if physical attacks can even slightly rival them. Seriously, that just makes no sense. Can you not even consider how f***ing stupid Ki blasts are if that's the case? Concentrated attacks do so much more damage, in a localized area sure but all you need is a head or vital organ shot whereas clearly much damage is wasted on AoE. Something like Big Bang Attack is nowhere near as deadly as SBC, it's just easier to hit people. If a punch can rival SBC then everyone in Dragon Ball is an idiot and doesn't fight properly. Blasts provide range but 99% of the duration of a fight is close quarters combat, if a single energy blast seals the deal why does it take thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of punches to just weaken someone?
He's like more than twice as powerful than him and like 5x his size? I'm not sure what there is to argue there, of course he's stronger. And muscle mass is clearly a factor, else transformations wouldn't bulk it up. USSj Trunks should have been able to annihilate Cell with his physical hits since USSj basically only boosted that and yet he barely did any damage to a Cell not even fully powered up. If Ki was used the way you say it is we'd have had that mentioned, there would be techniques centred around how that works, why does nobody in DBZ ever coat their hands or feet in a high concentration of Ki to max out their damage? There's no way that concentrating their Ki would look the same as just your basic aura, concentrated Ki is energy blasts. |
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 6 2018, 01:58 PM Post #23 |
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The reason Vegeta couldn't punch Cell and blow half his body off is for 2 reasons. 1. He amped that ki blast to the maximum. As far as we know, you can't amp a punch like you can a ki blast. 2. A punch doesn't have the same area coverage as a massive ki blast like the Final Flash. Again, isn't this obvious? -- I don't think I can really counter what you're saying here, I'll be honest. -- Trunks probably could've done that to Cell, since Cell mentioned that Trunks was stronger than him. Why he didn't, I don't know. -- Your question about coating body parts is a good question, I don't know why that hasn't been done before, chalk it up to Toriyama not thinking of that I guess. |
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| Notaka | Apr 6 2018, 02:17 PM Post #24 |
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You can't really "debunk" that theory because it tries to bring logic(which is the most essential thing in a debate) to a highly illogical and inconsistent series like DBZ. You would be arguing against inconsistency in DBZ. Like why is Goku able to lift and throw a giant Piccolo that dwarfs elephants with ease, then struggle with 40 tons when he's literally millions of times stronger? Why haven't they've ever shown destroying mountains with their fists if they were planet busters from early DBZ? Or for that matter, even KI attacks are inconsistent: Why did the aftermath of Gohan vs Cell's kamehameha battle only leave a giant crater? It's the lack of evidence, they've never shown destroying planets via punching which means: They can't. However you could make arguments for the opposite case: It wasn't implied that they have some sort of weakness against physical attacks, and even if they did, why would it work in favor of other series ? One Piece doesn't work like DBZ; They don't have concepts like KI, and Haki doesn't work the same as it. If you have a better haki than your opponent you could still lose, in DBZ having a higher KI means you are physically stronger, faster and more durable than your opponent and thus you will always win. There's the guidebooks that state KI amps your physical capabilities, it's never,ever disproved in DBZ. You could beat a guy twice your size frame if you happen to have a ki higher than him. TLDR: Split Durability uses the inconsistency of DBZ as its main weapon, Arguing against it means you're arguing against how combat works in DBZ. Edited by Notaka, Apr 6 2018, 02:18 PM.
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| + Steve | Apr 6 2018, 03:04 PM Post #25 |
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*Throws hands up in the air* So how are physical hits just as powerful then?? Ki blasts are clearly more powerful, you literally just argued my point.
It makes more sense that he just couldn't, physical brawn has it's limits that's why all the best forms focus on Ki and speed instead with strength taking a sideline, still going up but nowhere near as much.
He probably also didn't think of physical hits being just as powerful, which is why he never displayed that. He already showed that they are indeed powerful by doing shockwaves and showing area damage at later stages, like in Goku vs Vegeta(though you can't really tell what was Ki and what was punches/kicks there, but whatever)
Why are you still saying they're the same thing if you're literally pointing out that the series has never explained that? They don't bust mountains with their fists because they can't, why would the series not show that if they could...? You are making an absolute assumption based on what you want to believe, not what the series has actually presented or not shown. As for why he can throw Piccolo, maybe he's just not even that heavy? He didn't make massive craters by walking around, not like he would have weighed a billion tons or anything. Plus Dragon Ball, going back that far is in to massively inconsistent territory. Tao can throw a stone pillar many kilometers and can take a KHH, rekt by a crappy grenade. Later Goku tanks rockets like they're nothing, when he's not even that much more powerful. It is what it is.
I have no idea what that has to do with split durability. There was a massive discharge of energy there, nothing wrong with a crater showing up. A constant shockwave/strong wind will do that. Plus all the attacks they used on Cell probably done damage Toriyama never drew in, because s*** would get stupid if they didn't have a solid footing. Happens all the time in fiction.
Tell that to Burter, any character with a Buff form and anyone who's won a fight while technically being weaker than their opponent then? Also with the rules of this section, what you said there just makes Haki useful here so... |
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| Notaka | Apr 6 2018, 03:37 PM Post #26 |
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Again, Why can't they be able to? Frieza tanked a planet's explosion half dead yet got hurt by Goku's punches. Just because they haven't shown doesn't mean they can't. No character has ever stated "I can destroy planets but I can't destroy a mountain with my punch".
You're exaggerating. I never said he weighs A BILLION TON, but he's obviously more than 40 tons:  He causes earthquakes just by moving:
My point. Why can they seemingly perform these incredible shows of strength yet never do the same in dragon ball z? I'll tell you why: KI attacks weren't as important here as they are in Z. And I'm sure a Dragon Ball character wouldn't be even able to budge a Z character with a punch, let alone hurt. But if we go by your logic: DB characters have shown better physical strength feats therefore they could beat any Z character.
Again you're just proving my point. DBZ is an inconsistent series. What is your point here, exactly? DB is an inconsistent story, so? Plus I'm pretty sure that can be handwaved as a gag scene.
It is what it is, I'm not saying otherwise.
It has everything to do with it, because Split Durability theory comes from the fact that DBZ IS AN INCONSISTENT MANGA. And I gave an example of inconsistency. If DBZ was consistent, just the force from these two beams would have ripped the earth apart, but it didn't. Hell even powering up would have caused Earth to explode. Same thing applies to their physical strength.
When did Burter ever win a fight ???? Give me an example of A beating B while being weaker, in Z.
Right. If we take Haki = KI, then Luffy wouldn't have the same KI as Raditz because Raditz's attack potency is way higher than Luffy thus Luffy won't be able to hurt him according to Z logic. Edited by Notaka, Apr 6 2018, 03:44 PM.
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 6 2018, 04:03 PM Post #27 |
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You're being kind of contradictory it seems to me Steve. First you admit that punches can be overwhelming, such as Nappa vs Tien. Then you say they can't, such as with Trunks and Cell. So which is it? |
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| Notaka | Apr 6 2018, 04:22 PM Post #28 |
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Was there a big of a gap between Cell and Trunks ? Especially with Cell still holding back? It's not like Trunks had become dozens of time stronger than him; he just barely became stronger, but his muscles made it hard for him to move. Like I said, DBZ could care less about how muscled you are. Frieza was way more muscly than Goku in his 100% Form yet we all know who the winner turned out to be; SSJ 2 Gohan no sold every hit Cell did despite Cell being a lot larger than him, and when he got even bulkier Gohan made him vomit 18 just by a single kick. Then there's character like Beerus who are skinny as f*** but would no sell every hit you throw at him. There's also the whole Nappa vs Goku fight; Nappa was strong enough to no sell every hit, physical or not, ripped Tien's arm off, can fly straight into planes and rip them apart with just his body yet a good gutpunch from Goku made him kneel. Nail vs Freeza, Vegeta vs Semi Perfect Cell and Vegeta vs Perfect Cell are good examples of; It doesn't matter how muscly is your body, how bigger your ki compared to your opponent is. As for transformations making the user more muscled, that could be explained by the fact that the sudden KI influx made their body larger as to compensate. Edited by Notaka, Apr 6 2018, 04:22 PM.
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